Has Christ Forever Forfeited His Omnipresence?

Updated 10/19/2021

Many Christians (and most Seventh-day Adventists) have adopted this myth that the incarnate Man Christ Jesus has forever forfeited His omnipresence. With this underlying assumption, many are led to believe that Christ is physically bound up in heaven until the second coming and that all of the mediatorial work that are taking place here on earth is now left to another entirely different individual called, “God the Holy Spirit,” Who is Christ’s “successor” and “representative.” With this view, all the work that is being done on our behalf here on earth is done vicariously through someone else other than Christ.

The following Bible passages and statements by Ellen White are partly to blame for the reasons why many (Seventh-day Adventists) believe that Christ has forever forfeited His omnipresence.

“And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you ANOTHER COMFORTER, that he may abide with you for ever;” (John 14:16)

“Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.” (John 16:7)

Or

“Christ took human nature upon Him and bore it, pure and spotless, into the heavenly courts. HE WILL BEAR THIS NATURE THROUGH THE AGES OF ETERNITY. In ascending to heaven with a glorified humanity, Christ has declared what man can become if he will do the will of God, but it is only through the mediation of Christ that any human being can overcome. Of the redeemed we read, “They overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony.” [Revelation 12:11.] God will honor those who accept Christ, making them witnesses of Him to the world. {Lt257-1903.19}

“By His life and His death, Christ has achieved even more than recovery from the ruin wrought through sin. It was Satan’s purpose to bring about an eternal separation between God and man; but in Christ we become more closely united to God than if we had never fallen. In taking our nature, the SAVIOUR HAS BOUND HIMSELF TO HUMANITY BY A TIE THAT IS NEVER TO BE BROKEN. Through the eternal ages He is linked with us. “God so loved the world, that He gave His only-begotten Son.” John 3:16. He gave Him not only to bear our sins, and to die as our sacrifice; He gave Him to the fallen race. To assure us of His immutable counsel of peace, God gave His only-begotten Son to become one of the human family, FOREVER TO RETAIN HIS HUMAN NATURE.” {The Desire of Ages 25.3}

“The Holy Spirit is Christ’s representative, but divested of the personality of humanity, and independent thereof. CUMBERED WITH HUMANITY, CHRIST COULD NOT BE IN EVERY PLACE PERSONALLY. Therefore it was for their interest that He should go to the Father, and send the Spirit TO BE HIS SUCCESSOR on earth. No one could then have any advantage because of his location or his personal contact with Christ. By the Spirit the Saviour would be accessible to all. In this sense He would be nearer to them than if He had not ascended on high.” {ibid, p. 669.2}

The expressions such as, “another comforter,” “It is expedient for you that I go away…” or Christ is “forever to retain His human nature” and that “cumbered with humanity, Christ could not be in every place personally” or “bear this [human] nature through the ages of eternity;” have all been misunderstood (as you will see) to mean that Christ can no longer be omnipresent.

This misunderstanding of Christ’s omnipresence has led many to effectively obscure or undermine the full scope of Christ’s mediatorial work. Those who believe that the Holy Spirit is an entirely separate individual, would have to believe that Christ is no longer the “one mediator between God and men” (1 Timothy 2:5). They must believe that Christ is now sharing that mediatorial work with another being called “God the Holy Spirit,” thus effectively making two mediators and two intercessors between God and men. This is found nowhere in God’s Word.

The Bible speaks of Christ being with us

But while Jesus spoke of the Comforter that would be sent, He also spoke of Himself as the one who would come back to be with His people,

“For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.” — Matthew 18:20

“And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever… I [Jesus] will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.” — John 14:16, 18, (bracket supplied)

“and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world.” — Matt 28:20

Thus we find that Scripture explicitly describes how Christ is with us even though He is absent visibly or physically. And this idea is further evidenced in the following passages:

When Christ says, “If a man loves me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him” (John 14:23), is it not Christ who will come to us bearing the Father’s Spirit rather than another person?

Jesus said, “Abide in me, and I in you. … These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full” (John 15:4, 11).

Whose presence brings this joy? Is it not Christ’s? Can anyone else abiding within bring this joy?

I in them, and Thou in Me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them as thou hast loved me.” [John 17:23.]

When Jesus prayed that He may abide in His disciples that they may be “made perfect in one,” did He mean another individual will come in His stead?

Again, when the scripture says, “And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.” (Romans 8: 10), is it not Christ who is in you?

“But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.” (Gal 4:4-6) Is this not the Spirit of Christ in our hearts, crying, Abba, Father?” Does “God-the-Holy-Spirit” call God-the-Father, “Father?”

How about Eph. 3.17, “That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith;”? Is it not Christ?

When the Scripture speaks of “Christ in you, the hope of glory” (Colossians 1:27), does this denote someone o
ther than Christ we refer to as “God the Holy Spirit,” who is not Christ but His representative?

Again, Colossians 3:11 says, “Christ is all, and in all” (Colossians 3:11).

If Christ is truly “all,” does He need help from anyone else in mediating for us? And if Christ is truly “in all,” why would He need to send someone else to be in us?

When the Scripture says, “Behold, I stand at the door and knock” (Revelation 3:20), is it not Christ who is knocking at the door of our hearts rather than another person?

When Christ says in the same verse above, “I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me,” (ibid) is it not Christ who will come into my heart rather than another person?

Moreover, we’ve been given an admonition: “Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?” -2Corinthians 13:5

Jesus Comes to us personally

Because Ellen White has stated, “Cumbered with humanity, Christ could not be in every place personally. Therefore it was for their interest that He should go to the Father” (Desire of Ages, p. 669.2), many draw the conclusion that Christ has forfeited His omnipresence.

What they fail to properly understand is the phrase, “Christ could not be in every place personally,” followed by “Therefore,”. By inserting, “Therefore,” what the author is affectively intimating is that Jesus, in order for Him to be in every place personally, it required that He needed to go to the Father, so that He can indeed be in every place personally, not in His physical/visible Self but in another manner-in His Spirit.

This is why Sister White also wrote such statements as,

“I testify to my brethren and sisters that the church of Christ, enfeebled and defective as it may be, is the only object on earth on which He bestows His supreme regard. While He extends to all the world His invitation to come to Him and be saved, He commissions His angels to render divine help to every soul that cometh to Him in repentance and contrition, and HE COMES TO US PERSONALLY BY HIS HOLY SPIRIT into the midst of His church. {Lt2d-1892.7} (published also in Testimonies to Ministers, p.15)

“When Christ ascended to heaven, THE SENSE OF HIS PRESENCE WAS STILL WITH HIS FOLLOWERS. IT WAS A PERSONAL PRESENCE, full of love and light… {SC 73.2}

“The work of the Holy Spirit is immeasurably great. It is from this Source that power and efficiency come to the worker for God; and THE HOLY SPIRIT IS THE COMFORTER, AS THE PERSONAL PRESENCE OF CHRIST TO THE SOUL.” {Ye Shall Receive Power, p. 177}

“…CHRIST HIMSELF WILL BE PRESENT, AS HE HAS PROMISED, and hearts will be touched by His grace.” {MH 152.3}

“And as we wash the feet of Christ’s followers, it is as though we were indeed touching the Son of God. We do this act because Christ told us to do it, and CHRIST HIMSELF IS AMONG US. HIS HOLY SPIRIT DOES THE WORK OF UNITING OUR HEARTS.” {5BC 1139.3}

Therefore, we can see that there is in one sense that Christ cannot be with us “personally,” visibly or physically in a literal sense. But, there is in another sense in which He can indeed be with us “personally,” unseen, spiritually.

Consider the following statements:

“In giving His commission to His followers, Christ did not tell them they would be left alone. He assured them that He would be near them. HE SPOKE OF HIS OMNIPRESENCE IN A SPECIAL WAY. Go to all nations, He said. Go, to the farthest portion of the habitable globe, but know that MY PRESENCE WILL BE THERE. Labor in faith and confidence, for the time will never come when I shall forsake you.”

“Christ’s VISIBLE PRESENCE was about to be withdrawn, but a new endowment of power was to be theirs. The Holy Spirit was to be given them in its fullness. {TT 18.3}

“Christ is withdrawn ONLY FROM THE EYE OF SENSE, BUT HE IS AS TRULY PRESENT BY HIS SPIRIT AS WHEN HE WAS VISIBLY PRESENT ON EARTH. The time that has elapsed since his ascension has brought no interruption in the fulfillment of his parting promise,—“Lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world.” {ST April 7, 1890, par. 6}

“When trials overshadow the soul, remember the words of Christ, remember that HE IS AN UNSEEN PRESENCE in the person of the Holy Spirit {Letter 124, 1897. }

“In the plan of restoring in men the divine image, it was provided that the Holy Spirit should move upon human minds, AND BE AS THE PRESENCE OF CHRIST, a molding agency upon human character (RH Feb 12, 1895)

“Whenever it is celebrated, CHRIST IS PRESENT BY HIS HOLY SPIRIT. It is this Spirit that brings conviction to hearts…. {RH November 4, 1902, par. 10}

“While Jesus ministers in the sanctuary above, He is still BY HIS SPIRIT the minister of the church on earth.” {CIHS 44.2}

“Christ is withdrawn ONLY FROM THE EYE OF SENSE.” In other words, Christ is present with us not unlike how he was, when he was on earth, but the only difference now is that we cannot see him with our eyes; He is invisible. Thus she is making a distinction between Christ’s physical/visible presence in His incarnate humanity with His spiritual/unseen divine presence via His Spirit.

Let’s compare the following statement (Ellen White’s letter to Edson White and his wife, dated Feb 18, 1895), which is the original manuscript source for the aforementioned Desire of Ages statement:

“Cumbered with humanity, Christ could not be in every place personally; THEREFORE it was altogether for their advantage that he should leave them, go to his Father, and send the Holy Spirit to be His successor on earth. THE HOLY SPIRIT IS HIMSELF, divested of the personality of humanity and independent thereof. HE WOULD REPRESENT HIMSELF AS PRESENT IN ALL PLACES BY HIS HOLY SPIRIT, AS THE OMNIPRESENT. ‘But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in My name, He shall (although unseen by you), [This phrase was added by Ellen White.] teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.’ [John 14:26]… ‘Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will come not unto you; but if I depart, I will send Him unto you.’ [John 16:7]” also published in Manuscript Releases, vol. 14, p. 23.3

Note: The above statement says,

1. “The HOLY SPIRIT IS HIMSELF divested of the personality of humanity and independent thereof.” Who is “Himself”? This is pretty clear. The way that
the statement is rendered makes it impossible for “Himself” to mean anyone else other than Christ. Now it has been pointed out that in Manuscript Releases statement, that there are no commas within this sentence: “The Holy Spirit is Himself divested of the personality of humanity, and independent thereof.” However, with or without the commas, the meaning of the sentence remains unchanged. Only one divine Person can be divested of the personality of humanity, and that is Christ who had clothed His divinity with humanity. In order to be divested of the personality of humanity, one needs to be invested with it first. You cannot be divested of something that you are not invested with in the first place.

2. “HE [Christ] WOULD REPRESENT HIMSELF AS PRESENT IN ALL PLACES BY HIS HOLY SPIRIT, AS THE OMNIPRESENT.” “HE” clearly refers to none other than Christ. If “HE” refers to the Holy Spirit, then the statement would read, “HE (Holy Spirit) would represent himself as present in all places by his Holy spirit, as the omnipresent.” This does not make any sense–the Holy Spirit does not have a Holy Spirit. Furthermore, this is unbiblical for the Holy Spirit was sent to represent Christ, not himself.

3. “(although unseen by you), [This phrase was added by Ellen White]” as noted by the publisher. Compare this with the following statement:

“The Lord Jesus recognizes the REAL VALUE OF SINCERE BELIEF IN HIS PERSONALITY, WHICH THO UNSEEN, IS VIEWED BY THE EYE OF FAITH.” {Letter 248-1906.4}

Thus, it is Christ Himself by His own Holy Spirit (His divinity, divested of the personality of humanity), who is present with us, “WHICH THO UNSEEN, IS VIEWED BY THE EYE OF FAITH.”

Ellen White explains John 14

 “That Christ should manifest HIMSELF to them, and yet be invisible to the world, was a mystery to the disciples. They could not understand the words of Christ in their spiritual sense. THEY WERE THINKING OF THE ‘OUTWARD VISIBLE MANIFESTATION’. They could not take in the fact that they could have the presence of Christ with them, and YET HE BE UNSEEN BY THE WORLD. They did not understand the meaning of a ‘SPIRITUAL MANIFESTATION.’” {The Southern Work, September 13, 1898}

“THE DISCIPLES STILL FAILED TO UNDERSTAND CHRIST’S WORDS IN THEIR SPIRITUAL SENSE, AND AGAIN HE EXPLAINED HIS MEANING. BY THE SPIRIT, HE [JESUS] SAID, HE WOULD MANIFEST HIMSELF TO THEM. ‘The Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in My name, He shall teach you all things.’ No more will you say, I cannot comprehend. No longer will you see through a glass, darkly. You shall ‘be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height; and to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge.’ Ephesians 3:18, 19.” {Desire of Ages, p. 669.4-670.1}

“Christ tells us that the Holy Spirit is the Comforter, and the Comforter is the Holy Ghost, ‘the Spirit of truth, which the Father shall send in My name.’ ‘I will pray the Father, and He shall give you another Comforter, that He may abide with you for ever; even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth Him not, neither knoweth Him: but ye know Him, for He dwelleth with you, and shall be in you’ [John 14:16, 17]. This refers to the OMNIPRESENCE OF THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST, CALLED THE COMFORTER.” {Manuscript Releases vol. 14, p. 179}

“Though the ministration was to be removed from the earthly to the heavenly temple; though the sanctuary and our great high priest would be invisible to human sight, yet the disciples were to suffer no loss thereby. They would realize no break in their communion, and no diminution of power because of the Savior’s absence. While JESUS ministers in the sanctuary above, HE IS STILL BY HIS SPIRIT the minister of the church on earth. HE IS WITHDRAWN FROM THE EYE OF SENSE, but HIS parting promise is fulfilled, ‘Lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world.’ Matthew 28:20. While HE delegates HIS power to inferior ministers, HIS ENERGIZING PRESENCE IS STILL WITH HIS CHURCH.” {Desire of Ages, p. 166}

The above statements and many others (too many to list them all here) clearly show in an unambiguous language that Christ is omnipresent through His own Spirit.

One thing worth noting is that there’s a need to distinguish the ACTUAL/LITERAL PRESENCE of Christ with His omnipresent Spirit. The actual Person of Christ has a corporeal personality and His visible, physical Self is limited to a local presence, ministering in heaven; He is only omnipresent BY His Spirit. Therefore we do not literally interact with Christ Himself, but rather with some mysterious “AGENCY” (not another being) WHICH IS DISTINCT AND SEPARATE FROM Himself but nonetheless we can indeed experience Christ personally.

“The Lord’s throne is in heaven” (Psalm 11:4); YET BY HIS SPIRIT HE IS EVERYWHERE PRESENT. He has an intimate knowledge of, and a personal interest in, all the works of His hand. ” { E. G. White, Education , p. 132}

“The Bible shows us God in His high and holy place, not in a state of inactivity, not in silence and solitude, but surrounded by ten thousand times ten thousand and thousands of thousands of holy beings, all waiting to do His will. THROUGH THESE MESSENGERS He is in active communication with every part of His dominion. BY HIS SPIRIT HE IS EVERYWHERE PRESENT. THROUGH THE AGENCY OF HIS SPIRIT AND HIS ANGELS HE MINISTERS TO THE CHILDREN OF MEN.”  {MH 417.2}

Biblical ontology holds that there are Two tangible, corporeal Beings (Father and Son) who each have Their respective visible and separate bodily presence in heaven and yet there is an Agency, a spiritual presence, that brings Both of Them in Its wake (John 14:23).

Christ appeared to Saul

“And Saul,… as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven: 4 And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? 5 And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks. 6 And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do. 7 And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man. 8 And Saul arose from the earth; and when his eyes were opened, he saw no man: but they led him by the hand, and brought him into Damascus.” (Acts 9:1-8)

“But Barnabas took him and brought him to the apostles. And he declared to them HOW HE HAD SEEN THE LORD ON THE ROAD, AND THAT HE HAD SPOKEN TO HIM, and how he had preached boldly at Damascus in the name of Jesus.” (Acts 9:27)

“And the night following THE LORD STOOD BY HIM, and said, Be of good cheer, Paul: for as thou hast testified of me in Jerusalem, so must thou bear witness also at Rome.” Acts 23:11

Ellen White comments on Paul’s experience at Damascus:

“Paul told the Thessalonian Jews of
his former zeal for the ceremonial law and of his wonderful experience at the gate of Damascus. Before his conversion he had been confident in a hereditary piety, a false hope. His faith had not been anchored in Christ; he had trusted instead in forms and ceremonies. His zeal for the law had been disconnected from faith in Christ and was of no avail. While boasting that he was blameless in the performance of the deeds of the law, he had refused the One who made the law of value. But at the time of his conversion all had been changed. JESUS OF NAZARETH, WHOM HE HAD BEEN PERSECUTING IN THE PERSON OF HIS SAINTS, APPEARED BEFORE HIM AS THE PROMISED MESSIAH.” {Acts of the Apostles, p. 228}

“In the record of the conversion of Saul important principles are given us, which we should ever bear in mind. SAUL WAS BROUGHT DIRECTLY INTO THE PRESENCE OF CHRIST. He was one whom Christ intended for a most important work, one who was to be a “chosen vessel” unto Him; yet the Lord did not at once tell him of the work that had been assigned him. He arrested him in his course and convicted him of sin; but when Saul asked, “What wilt Thou have me to do?” the Saviour placed the inquiring Jew in connection with His church, there to obtain a knowledge of God’s will concerning him.” {AA 120.3}

On another occasion, Christ appeared to John

“The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it BY HIS ANGEL unto his servant John: Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw. (Revelation 1:1, 2)

“…I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s day, AND HEARD BEHIND ME A GREAT VOICE, as of a trumpet, saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, WHAT THOU SEEST, WRITE IN A BOOK, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea. AND I TURNED TO SEE THE VOICE THAT SPAKE WITH ME. And being turned, I SAW seven golden candlesticks; And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the SON OF MAN, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle. His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; and his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters. And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength. AND WHEN I SAW HIM, I FELL AT HIS FEET AS DEAD. And HE LAID HIS RIGHT HAND UPON ME, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death. Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter; The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.” (Revelation 1:9-20)

Ellen White comments on John’s encounter with Christ on Patmos:

“CHRIST CAME TO JOHN on the Isle of Patmos to show him symbols and representations and to explain their meaning. He desires us to study this instruction.” {Lt100-1906.9}

“CHRIST CAME TO JOHN on the isle of Patmos and revealed to him truth that concerns every one who shall act a part in the closing scenes of this earth’s history.” {Lt275-1905.6}

“CHRIST CAME TO JOHN on the Isle of Patmos to bring him a wonderful revelation regarding what was to take place on this earth. He charged him to write in a book that which was told him and send it to the churches.” {Lt338-1905.7}

“CHRIST CAME FROM HEAVEN TO MEET JOHN on the Isle of Patmos. The Lord revealed to His servant heavenly things and showed him what would take place in the last days…” {Ms154-1903.7} THERE IS SIGNIFICANCE IN THE FACT THAT CHRIST DEEMED IT OF IMPORTANCE TO COME TO JOHN and to repeat over and over again, “He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.” [Revelation 2:7, 11, 17, 29; 3:6, 13, 22.]…{Ms154-1903.8} IN THE MESSAGE THAT CHRIST BROUGHT TO JOHN on the Isle of Patmos, it is stated over and over again that our Saviour is the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end…” {Ms154-1903.9}”

“CHRIST VISITED JOHN on the lonely isle of Patmos and gave him instruction for the church in these last days. Let us become acquainted with this instruction.” {Lt5-1903.12}

“THE LORD JESUS APPEARED TO JOHN on the Isle of Patmos and revealed many things of solemn importance to him. ‘Blessed is he that readeth and they that hear the prophecy of this book, and keep those things which are written therein; for the time is at hand.’ [Revelation 1:3.]” {Ms29-1890.26}

“What a Saviour we have! IT WAS HE THAT REVEALED HIMSELF TO JOHN on the Isle of Patmos, and proclaimed, “I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.” None but just such an ever-living, mighty God, could pay the ransom to save sinners from going down into the pit of death.” {RH February 18, 1896, par. 5}

“The revelation of Christ to John is a wonderful, dignified, exalted, solemn message. To present this message with decided emphases, demands all the talents of capabilities that God has given to man. When John received it , he was worked (upon) by the Holy Spirit, FOR CHRIST HIMSELF CAME FROM HEAVEN and told him what to write.” {The Upward Look, p. 310.5}

“Let us strive to obtain an abundant entrance into the kingdom of our Lord. Let us diligently study the gospel that CHRIST CAME IN PERSON to present to John on the Isle of Patmos”—Signs of the Times, February 4, 1903. {YRP 366.4}

“In the days of the early Christians, CHRIST CAME THE SECOND TIME. His first advent was at Bethlehem, when He came as an infant. HIS SECOND ADVENT WAS AT THE ISLE OF PATMOS, WHEN HE REVEALED HIMSELF IN GLORY TO JOHN THE REVELATOR, who “fell at His feet as dead” when he saw Him. But CHRIST strengthened him to endure the sight, and then gave him a message to write to the churches of Asia, the names of which are descriptive of the characteristics of every church. {19MR 40.4}

“We have been given a message exceeding in importance any other message ever entrusted to mortals. THIS MESSAGE CHRIST CAME IN PERSON TO THE ISLE OF PATMOS TO PRESENT TO JOHN. He told him to write down what he saw and heard during his vision, that the churches might know what was to come upon the earth. Do our medical workers realize the importance of the message of Revelation?” … {MM 37.4}

“We have, as it were, been asleep regarding this matter. Let us now send forth the word with determined energy, that the world may understand THE MESSAGE THAT CHRIST GAVE TO JOHN ON THE ISLE OF PATMOS.” {PM 57.3}

“The truth of the THIRD ANGEL’S MESSAGE THAT CHRIST COMMUNICATED TO JOHN on the Isle of Patmos, upon which a blessing is pr
onounced on those who read, hear, and do this truth, that message is to be proclaimed to warn the world of the conflict in which every individual will have a part.” {Lt45-1900.6}

“Patmos, a barren, rocky island in the Aegean Sea, had been chosen by the Roman government as a place of banishment for criminals; but to the servant of God this gloomy abode became the gate of heaven. Here, shut away from the busy scenes of life, and from the active labors of former years, HE HAD THE COMPANIONSHIP OF GOD AND CHRIST AND THE HEAVENLY ANGELS, AND FROM —>THEM<— HE RECEIVED INSTRUCTION FOR THE CHURCH FOR ALL FUTURE TIME. The events that would take place in the closing scenes of this earth’s history were outlined before him; and there he wrote out the visions he received from God. When his voice could no longer testify to the One whom he loved and served, the messages given him on that barren coast were to go forth as a lamp that burneth, declaring the sure purpose of the Lord concerning every nation on the earth.” – {AA 570.4}

“CHRIST CAME IN PERSON to the lonely isle of Patmos, and showed John the things that must be, [things] that were of the highest importance to His people. ([?] THROUGH THE PERSON OF HIS HIGHEST ANGELS. He had veiled His own glory.) This message is to come to God’s people, straight, sharp, and clean from all mixture of human wisdom and tradition.” {18MR 33.2}*

“Christ came in person to the lonely isle of Patmos and showed John the things that must be, that were of the highest importance to His people. (?) (Through the person of his highest angels. He had veiled His own glory.) This message is to come to God’s people straight, sharp, and clean from all mixture of human wisdom and tradition.” {Ms139-1903.22}

Note: Regarding the 2 statements immediately above, it’s unclear as to the parenthetical notation if they are part of the original notes by Ellen White or not. I found two of the same quotes where the question mark was notated differently (I did contact the EGW estate to inquire about it but have not heard back from them yet).

“We have before us stern, earnest work, and we must be prepared for it. With clearness and power we are to proclaim the messages given to John for the churches when IN VISON THE LORD APPEARED to him on the isle of Patmos.”{Lt200-1903.4}

“So it will be in the experience of those who are united with Christ in the accomplishment of the work He has given us to do. We have seen the great power of God. The Lord has wrought in behalf of His people. But Satan is not dead or palsied, and he prepares minds by degrees to become imbued with his spirit and to work after the same manner as he works against those who bear responsibilities in the work of God for these last days. In the future SATAN’S LAST EXPLOITS WILL BE CARRIED OUT WITH MORE POWER THAN EVER BEFORE. HE HAS LEARNED MUCH, AND HE IS FULL OF SCIENTIFIC SCHEMING TO MAKE OF NO EFFECT the work that is under the supervision of the ONE WHO CAME TO THE ISLE OF PATMOS to educate John and to give him instruction to be given to the churches.” {Lt311-1905.5}

Note: There are some debates as to how Christ manifested Himself to either Saul/Paul or John. Some argue that it was literally Christ Himself, who vacated heaven and appeared to either Saul or John in His glorified personage, while others hold to the idea that it was either a vision or some sort of augmented reality (a divine hologram) induced by the accompanying angel or Christ manifesting Himself in some form of an astralized self while He was located in heaven.  What’s interesting to note in the above statements is that while it is said that “Christ Himself came from heaven,” it is also stated elsewhere that the message was “sent and signified it by his angel” (Rev 1:1) and that it came “through the person of His highest angels. He had veiled His own glory.” (18MR 33.2) and “in vision the Lord appeared” (Lt200-1903.4)

Similarities between Daniel and John’s experience:

“As Daniel’s prayer is going forth, THE ANGEL GABRIEL COMES SWEEPING DOWN FROM THE HEAVENLY COURTS to tell him that his petitions are heard and answered. THIS MIGHTY ANGEL HAS BEEN COMMISSIONED to give him skill and understanding—TO OPEN BEFORE HIM the mysteries of future ages. Thus, while earnestly seeking to know and understand the truth, Daniel was brought into communion with Heaven’s delegated messenger.” {SL 48.1}

Daniel talked with God. Heaven was opened before him. But the high honors granted him were the result of humiliation and earnest seeking. All who believe with the heart the word of God will hunger and thirst for a knowledge of His will. God is the author of truth. He enlightens the darkened understanding and gives to the human mind power to grasp and comprehend the truths which He has revealed. {SL 49.1}“Upon the occasion just described, the ANGEL GABRIEL IMPARTED TO DANIEL ALL THE INSTRUCTION which he was then able to receive. A few years afterward, however, the prophet desired to learn more of subjects not yet fully explained, and again set himself to seek light and wisdom from God. “In those days I Daniel was mourning three full weeks. I ate no pleasant bread, neither came flesh nor wine in my mouth, neither did I anoint myself at all…. THE I LIFTED UP MINE EYES, AND LOOKED, and behold a certain man clothed in linen, whose loins were girded with fine gold of Uphaz. His body also was like the beryl, and his face as the appearance of lightning, and his eyes as lamps of fire, and his arms and his feet like in colour to polished brass, and the voice of his words like the voice of a multitude” (Daniel 10:2-6). {SL 49.2}

“This description is SIMILAR to that given by John WHEN CHRIST REVEALED TO HIM upon the isle of Patmos. NO LESS A PERSONAGE THAN THE SON OF GOD APPEARED TO DANIEL. OUR LORD COMES —>WITH<— ANOTHER HEAVENLY MESSENGER to teach Daniel what would take place in the latter days. {SL 49.3} (Compare: Our Lord now comes with another heavenly messenger to teach Daniel what would take place in the latter days.”—The Review and Herald, February 8, 1881. {TA 144.4}

WHERE DID THE ANGEL FIND JOHN?—HE FOUND HIM ON THE ISLE OF PATMOS. Wicked men had tried to take his life, but they could not do it, so they had banished him to that rocky isle. They thought that he would be discouraged and soon die, and that they would not be troubled further by his testimony. But it was a happy place for the aged disciple. Every day he communed with God, and words of praise fell from his lips, even on that lonely, rocky isle. God revealed Himself to John in a most signal manner, and the words he there wrote under the inspiration of God have lived through the ages.

Note: It is evident that an angel Gabriel (and perhaps other angels as well) has the capacity to “impart” the instructions of God in such a manner as to bring the presence of God/Christ in a visual/dynamic/realistic sense to the prophets through visions and such and it appears that in most instances, the presence of God/Christ are always accompanied by the angel(s). Was Christ literally there in person? I’m incline to believe that He was there in vision. However, I do believe that it’s not inconsistent to say that Christ was really there in person with John and also agree that he was there in vision. I would contend that being with Christ through vision in John’s m
ind was no less real than Him being with Jesus in person! Early Writings pages 54 and 55 shows that Ellen White was speaking directly with Christ, but we know she was in vision! That said, the salient point for me is that Christ can certainly communicate and be “present” with humanity without the aid of another divine being (trinitarian’s “third person of the godhead”) acting on His behalf.

John Norton Loughborough’s commentary on the Spirit of God:

“The Spirit is God’s representative. His power is manifested wherever he listeth, through the agency of his Spirit. Christ, when giving the commission to the disciples, says, “Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature, and lo! I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. NOW, NO ONE WOULD CONTEND THAT CHRIST HAD BEEN ON THE EARTH PERSONALLY EVER SINCE THE DISCIPLES COMMENCED TO FULFILL THIS COMMISSION. BUT HIS SPIRIT HAS BEEN ON THE EARTH; THE COMFORTER THAT HE PROMISED TO SEND. SO IN THE SAME MANNER GOD MANIFESTS HIMSELF BY HIS SPIRIT which is also the power through which he works. “But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.” Rom. viii, 11. Here is a plain distinction made between the Spirit, and God that raises the dead by that Spirit. If the living God is a Spirit in the strictest sense of the term, and at the same time is in possession of a Spirit, then we have at once the novel idea of the Spirit of a Spirit, something it will take at least a Spiritualist to explain.” {1855 JNL, MPC 26.1}

Note: Interesting how Loughborough states, “NOW, NO ONE WOULD CONTEND THAT CHRIST HAD BEEN ON THE EARTH PERSONALLY EVER SINCE THE DISCIPLES COMMENCED TO FULFILL THIS COMMISSION. BUT HIS SPIRIT HAS BEEN ON THE EARTH;”

“the appointed medium of communication”

“The Father had given over the world into the hands of his Son for him to redeem from the curse and the disgrace of Adam’s failure and fall. THROUGH CHRIST ALONE CAN MAN NOW FIND ACCESS TO GOD. AND THROUGH CHRIST ALONE will the Lord hold communication with man.” (Ellen G. White, Review and Herald, 24th February, 1874, Redemption No. 1′)

“After the transgression of Adam, The LORD SPOKE NO LONGER DIRECTLY with man; the human race WAS GIVEN INTO THE HANDS OF CHRIST, and ALL COMMUNICATION CAME THROUGH HIM to the world.” (Ellen G. White, Review and Herald, November 28, 1893, ‘Christ as Teacher’)

“After his transgression, GOD WOULD COMMUNICATE TO MAN THROUGH CHRIST AND ANGELS.” (Ellen G. White, Signs of the Times, 30th January 1879, ‘The great controversy: The plan of salvation’) {SR 50.3}

But the sin of Adam and Eve separated earth from heaven, so that man could not have communion with his Maker. Yet the world was not left in solitary hopelessness. THE LADDER REPRESENTS JESUS, —>THE APPOINTED MEDIUM OF COMMUNICATION. <— HAD HE NOT —>WITH HIS OWN MERITS<— BRIDGE THE GULF THAT SIN HAD MADE, THE MINISTERING ANGELS COULD HAVE HELD NO COMMUNION WITH FALLEN MAN. Christ connects man in his weakness and helplessness with the source of infinite power. PP 184.2 (emphasis supplied)

Note: If Jesus is the “appointed medium of communication,” along with the help of angels, why would another divine being ( aka “God the Holy Spirit” according to trinity), without any merit, take the place of Jesus? Moreover, we are told here that, it is “through Christ alone (with the exception of angels’ help), can man find access to God.” This would affectively preclude any other divine being from communicating to human beings. Suffice to say, Jesus is the ladder that connects man to heaven, not someone else-Holy Spirit IS the Spirit of Christ!

“forever to retain His human nature”

Some have said that because Christ is “forever to retain His human nature” (DA 25.3), He cannot possibly be omnipresent, “…divested of the personality of humanity” (referring to The Desire of Ages, p. 669.2). But what they fail to realize is that Christ possesses two distinct natures whereby His divinity and His human natures are mysteriously blended into one Person. Thus it is His divinity (His own Spirit), while still retaining His humanity, which allows Him to be omnipresent. His Spirit is divested of the personality of humanity but that does not negate His entire personage from continually maintaining two distinct natures-the human and the divine. Christ temporarily forfeited his omnipresence while he lived on earth, but there is no evidence to suggest from any inspired writing as to Christ forfeiting His omnipresence forever.

Man Christ Jesus was both divine and human:

“Looking upon Him in His humiliation, as He walked a man among men, they had not understood THE MYSTERY OF HIS INCARNATION, THE DUAL CHARACTER OF HIS NATURE. {DA 507.1}

“Was the human nature of the Son of Mary changed into the divine nature of the Son of God? NO; THE TWO NATURES WERE MYSTERIOUSLY BLENDED IN ONE PERSON–THE MAN CHRIST JESUS. In Him dwelt all the fullness of the Godhead bodily.” {Letter 280a to ‘Ministers, Physicians, and Teachers’, September 3, 1904}

“By Him the Father must be rightly represented. God committed His ideal to Christ, and sent Him into the world, INVESTED WITH DIVINITY, YET BEARING HUMANITY.” {Signs of the Times, May 16, 1900, par. 1}

“The Lord has UNITED HIS NATURE WITH HUMANITY expressly that He might become a more distinguishable and definite object for our contemplation and love. He invites us to draw near and contemplate the great light, THE INVISIBLE GOD INVESTED IN ROBES OF HUMANITY, emitting a glory so softened and subdued that our eyes can endure the sight. Christ is the light of heaven. In His face we shall see God. Bear in mind the prayer of Christ, that His people may be one with Him as He is one with the Father, that they may be with Him where He is and behold His glory.” {In Heavenly Places, p. 201.5}

“…The two expressions human and divine were, in Christ, closely and inseparably one, AND YET THEY HAD A DISTINCT INDIVIDUALITY…  {ST May 10, 1899, par. 11}

“Christ spoke with the authority of a king, and in His appearance, and in the tones of His voice, there was that which they had no power to resist. At the word of command they realized, as they had never realized before, their true position as hypocrites and robbers. When DIVINITY FLASHED THROUGH HUMANITY, not only did they see indignation on Christ’s countenance; they realized the import of His words. They felt as if before the throne of the eternal Judge, with their sentence passed on them for time and for eternity. For a time they were convinced that Christ was a prophet; and many believed Him to be the Messiah. The HOLY SPIRIT FLASHED into their minds the utterances of the prophets concerning Christ. Would they yield to this conviction?” {DA 162.3}  {ST September 16, 1897, par. 13}

Note: The above statements reveal how Christ retained BOTH NATURES; His divinity and humanity are mysteriously blended into ONE PERSONAGE. Moreover, please note the phrase, “TH
E INVISIBLE GOD INVESTED IN ROBES OF HUMANITY.” His divinity was “INVISIBLE” but was present in His humanity and on occasion it “FLASHED THROUGH HUMANITY.” Keep in mind that this “INVISIBLE” aspect of the Christ’s divinity was localized (not omnipresent), when He was on earth; this is the reason why He had to go to the Father (John 16:1).

Divested Himself of the form of God

“Christ could not have come to this earth with the glory that He had in the heavenly courts. Sinful human beings could not have borne the sight. He veiled His divinity with the garb of humanity, but HE DID NOT PART WITH HIS DIVINITY.” {Review and Herald, June 15, 1905}

CHRIST HAD NOT EXCHANGED HIS DIVINITY FOR HUMANITY; but He had clothed His divinity in humanity.” {Review and Herald, Oct. 29, 1895}

“But although Christ’s divine glory was for a time veiled and eclipsed by His assuming humanity, yet HE DID NOT CEASE TO BE GOD when He became man. The human did not take the place of the divine, nor the divine of the human. This is the mystery of godliness. The two expressions ‘human’ and ‘divine’ were, in Christ, closely and inseparably one, and yet they had a distinct individuality. Though Christ humbled Himself to become man, THE GODHEAD WAS STILL HIS OWN.” {Signs of the Times, May 10, 1899 par.11}

“His finite nature was pure and spotless, divine nature that led Him to say to Philip, ‘He that hath seen Me hath seen the Father’ also, was not humanized; neither was humanity deified by the blending or union of the two natures; EACH RETAINED ITS ESSENTIAL CHARACTER AND PROPERTIES.” {Manuscript Releases, vol. 16, p. 182 par.1}

“He was God while upon earth, but HE DIVESTED HIMSELF OF THE FORM OF GOD, and in its stead took the form and fashion of a man. HE WALKED THE EARTH AS A MAN. For our sakes He became poor, that we through His poverty might be made rich. He laid aside His glory and His majesty. He was God, BUT THE GLORIES OF THE FORM OF GOD HE FOR A WHILE RELINQUISHED. Though He walked among men in poverty, scattering His blessings wherever He went, at His word legions of angels would surround their Redeemer, and do Him homage. But He walked the earth unrecognized, unconfessed, with but few exceptions, by His creatures.” {SDA Bible Commentary, vol.5, p. 1126.8}

“Christ was the Majesty of heaven, the Commander of the heavenly hosts. But He put off His crown, and DIVESTED HIMSELF OF HIS ROYAL ROBE, to take upon Him human nature, that humanity might touch humanity. As the world’s Redeemer He passed through all the experiences through which we must pass. He found Himself in fashion as a man. He humbled Himself to do the greatest work that could be done for the human race. A beam of righteousness from heaven shone amid the moral darkness of this earth, to enlighten every man that cometh into the world.” {The Bible Echo, May 29, 1899, par. 7}

“Our sufficiency is found only in the death and incarnation of the Son of God. BY VOLUNTARILY DIVESTING HIMSELF OF HIS GLORY assuming human nature that could suffer and be looked upon by the whole of the heavenly universe, He could suffer, sustained by divinity…” {Ms131-1897.4}

Note: What we can deduce from the above statements is that while Christ lived on earth, He lived a life, DIVESTED of the FORM OF GOD (personality of God) and yet He ALWAYS RETAINED His divinity along with His humanity. This shows that while Christ retains both aspect of His personalities (divine and human), one aspect of His personality (divine) can be divested while the other aspect of his personality (humanity) is in operation. Likewise, the reverse is also true, in that Christ can indeed retain His humanity while He is operating in His divinity (in His Spirit) “divested” of the personality of humanity. On earth, He lived as a man, divested of His divinity and therefore temporarily forfeited his omnipresence but after His ascension, He is fully reinstated to his former glory whereby he is able to fully exercise His divinity, including His omnipresence.

Christ received His former glory after His ascension

“After his humiliation, suffering, and death, the Son of God STEPS BACK TO THE POSITION OF HIS FORMER GLORY, and is ONE WITH THE FATHER IN POWER AND DOMINION.” {Signs of the Times, June 27, 1895}

“Christ’s ascension to heaven, amid a cloud of heavenly angels, glorified Him… The heavenly host prostrate themselves before Him, and raise their song of triumph and joy. Glory encircles the King of heaven, and was beheld by all the heavenly intelligences. No words can describe the scene which took place as the Son of God was PUBLICLY REINSTATED IN THE PLACE OF HONOR AND GLORY which He voluntarily left when He became a man.” {Signs of the Times, May 10, 1899 par.17}

“Though Christ humbled Himself to become man, the Godhead was still His own. His deity could not be lost while He stood faithful and true to His loyalty. Surrounded with sorrow, suffering, and moral pollution, despised and rejected by the people to whom had been intrusted the oracles of heaven, Jesus could yet speak of Himself as the Son of man in heaven. HE WAS READY TO TAKE ONCE MORE HIS DIVINE GLORY WHEN HIS WORK ON EARTH WAS DONE.” 5BC 1129.3

“The apostle Paul speaks of our Mediator, the ONLY-BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD, WHO IN A STATE OF GLORY WAS IN THE FORM OF GOD, the Commander of all the heavenly hosts, and who, when He clothed His divinity with humanity, took upon Him the form of a servant.” {1SM 243.2}

1 Corinthians 15:45 “And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

Ephesians 4:10 “He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)”

Note: After Christ’s glorification, He has fully regained His former glory which should include all the prerogatives of a divine Being. But the difference now is that His nature is forever linked with humanity through incarnation. It is without any inspired evidence to suggest that Christ’s link to humanity should in any way make His divinity inferior in that He is no longer omnipresent. On the contrary, evidence do suggest that, while Christ is “forever to retain His human nature,” He can simultaneously be divested of the personality of humanity when operating in omnipresent capacity. The ability to be omnipresent is one of the defining characteristics of the personality of God and therefore to deny the omnipresence of the Spirit of Christ is to deny His divinity!

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“To deny the omnipresence of the Spirit of Christ is to deny His divinity!”

“‘It is the SPIRIT that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing; the words that I speak unto you, they are SPIRIT, and they are life.’ CHRIST IS NOT HERE REFERRING TO HIS DOCTRINE, BUT TO HIS PERSON, the divinity of his character.” {Review and Herald, April 5, 1906, par. 12}

“With his long human arm the Son of God encircled the whole human family, while with his divine arm he grasped the throne of the Infinite. His own individual presence was necessary, that in seeing him we might see the Father. He placed his throne, his spiritual kingdom, upon the earth. He revealed his special grace, and opened to our view the wonders of heavenly things. HE IMPARTED HIS OWN DIVINE SPIRIT TO HUMANITY, thus exalting humanity in the scale of moral worth with God. {YI July 29, 1897, par. 9}

“There is nothing else that can save us. CHRIST COMES IN HIS DIVINE NATURE, and here is every soul will be enlightened according to what you study, according to what you give the mind to feed upon.” {Ms138-1906.20}

Note: Regarding the “SPIRIT”, Ellen White referred to it as “HIS PERSON, THE DIVINITY OF HIS CHARACTER”, “DIVINE SPIRIT”; Thus, you can say that the Spirit represents the divinity of Christ’s Character that is divested of the personality of humanity.

“Let them study the seventeenth of John, and learn how to pray and how to live the prayer of CHRIST. HE IS THE COMFORTER. He will abide in their hearts, making their joy full.” {Review and Herald, January 27, 1903}

“‘He that hath the Son hath life.’ 1 John 5:12. THE DIVINITY OF CHRIST IS THE BELIEVERS’ ASSURANCE OF ETERNAL LIFE.” {Desire of Ages, p. 530.3}

The indwelling of the divinity of Christ (His Holy Spirit) is the believer’s assurance of eternal life whereby we may partake of His divine nature (primarily through the word of God) and experience the power and the presence of Christ personally.

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36 Responses

  1. Can you give me a quote that tells us Christ’s divinity was localized (not omnipresent) while He was on earth? I have not found such a statement and I see many things Christ did there were beyond localized divinity … like seeing Nathaniel under the fig tree, drawing others to Him to be healed, and knowing the hearts of all men, to name a few.

    1. Hi Paul,

      Great question, and as you say, there are some things in my mind also that still remain unanswered.

      But I would start with a statement that says, "Jesus revealed no qualities, and exercised no powers, that men may not have through faith in Him. His perfect humanity is that which all His followers may possess, if they will be in subjection to God as He was." {DA 664.4}

      So, if Christ, in his perfect humanity revealed "no qualities, and exercised no powers, that men may not have through faith in Him." then I don’t see how he was omnipresent here on earth. God can certainly reveal things to his prophets whereby the prophets can "know" and "see" things which he wouldn’t otherwise know without the aid of divine help. But can human’s exercise omnipresence through faith in Christ? I don’t know of any inspired evidence to suggest if that is even possible. Although Philip was able to teleport himself to Azotus after baptizing the eunuch in Acts 8.

      There is however a curious statement in The Desire of Ages (down below) where we are told that Jesus brought conviction to the paralytic’s conscience while the paralytic was still at home…I suppose one can take that to mean that Christ’s Spirit was able to actuate beyond His locality… But again, this was not a case of omnipresence… There’s no indication of Christ’s Spirit simultaneously operating somewhere else beyond his corporeal human body. Again, if we were to believe that Christ did not exercised any divinity beyond what the Father was able to provide him with, then we would have to concede that it was the Spirit of Christ working through the Father to reach the paralytic:

      “While the paralytic was yet at home, the Saviour had brought conviction to his conscience. When he repented of his sins, and believed in the power of Jesus to make him whole, the life-giving mercies of the Saviour had first blessed his longing heart. Jesus had watched the first glimmer of faith grow into a belief that He was the sinner’s only helper, and had seen it grow stronger with every effort to come into His presence.” {DA 268.1}

      "THE SPIRIT OF JESUS SLEPT IN THE TOMB WITH HIS BODY, and did not wing its way to heaven, there to maintain a separate existence, and to look down upon the mourning disciples embalming the body from which it had taken flight. ALL THAT COMPRISED THE LIFE AND INTELLIGENCE OF JESUS REMAINED WITH HIS BODY in the sepulcher; and when He came forth it was as a WHOLE BEING; He did not have to summon HIS SPIRIT FROM HEAVEN. He had power to lay down His life and to take it up again.”—5 Bible Commentary, 1150-1151. (The Spirit of Prophecy 3:203, 204)

      Here, I’m inclined to believe that Christ had a human spirit (localized), not unlike you and I which remained in the grave in the sense that he did not have a "conscious" thought or spirit floating around somewhere else… If Christ was omnipresent, how is it that his spirit slept in the tomb or that "ALL THAT COMPRISED THE LIFE AND INTELLIGENCE OF JESUS REMAINED WITH HIS BODY in the sepulcher?" Did his omnipresent ceased only when he died?

      Would like to hear your thoughts on this if you have any.

      God bless,

      Paul C.

  2. Can you give me a quote that tells us Christ’s divinity was localized (not omnipresent) while He was on earth? I have not found such a statement and I see many things Christ did there were beyond localized divinity … like seeing Nathaniel under the fig tree, drawing others to Him to be healed, and knowing the hearts of all men, to name a few.

    1. Hi Paul,

      Great question, and as you say, there are some things in my mind also that still remain unanswered.

      But I would start with a statement that says, "Jesus revealed no qualities, and exercised no powers, that men may not have through faith in Him. His perfect humanity is that which all His followers may possess, if they will be in subjection to God as He was." {DA 664.4}

      So, if Christ, in his perfect humanity revealed "no qualities, and exercised no powers, that men may not have through faith in Him." then I don’t see how he was omnipresent here on earth. God can certainly reveal things to his prophets whereby the prophets can "know" and "see" things which he wouldn’t otherwise know without the aid of divine help. But can human’s exercise omnipresence through faith in Christ? I don’t know of any inspired evidence to suggest if that is even possible. Although Philip was able to teleport himself to Azotus after baptizing the eunuch in Acts 8.

      There is however a curious statement in The Desire of Ages (down below) where we are told that Jesus brought conviction to the paralytic’s conscience while the paralytic was still at home…I suppose one can take that to mean that Christ’s Spirit was able to actuate beyond His locality… But again, this was not a case of omnipresence… There’s no indication of Christ’s Spirit simultaneously operating somewhere else beyond his corporeal human body. Again, if we were to believe that Christ did not exercised any divinity beyond what the Father was able to provide him with, then we would have to concede that it was the Spirit of Christ working through the Father to reach the paralytic:

      “While the paralytic was yet at home, the Saviour had brought conviction to his conscience. When he repented of his sins, and believed in the power of Jesus to make him whole, the life-giving mercies of the Saviour had first blessed his longing heart. Jesus had watched the first glimmer of faith grow into a belief that He was the sinner’s only helper, and had seen it grow stronger with every effort to come into His presence.” {DA 268.1}

      "THE SPIRIT OF JESUS SLEPT IN THE TOMB WITH HIS BODY, and did not wing its way to heaven, there to maintain a separate existence, and to look down upon the mourning disciples embalming the body from which it had taken flight. ALL THAT COMPRISED THE LIFE AND INTELLIGENCE OF JESUS REMAINED WITH HIS BODY in the sepulcher; and when He came forth it was as a WHOLE BEING; He did not have to summon HIS SPIRIT FROM HEAVEN. He had power to lay down His life and to take it up again.”—5 Bible Commentary, 1150-1151. (The Spirit of Prophecy 3:203, 204)

      Here, I’m inclined to believe that Christ had a human spirit (localized), not unlike you and I which remained in the grave in the sense that he did not have a "conscious" thought or spirit floating around somewhere else… If Christ was omnipresent, how is it that his spirit slept in the tomb or that "ALL THAT COMPRISED THE LIFE AND INTELLIGENCE OF JESUS REMAINED WITH HIS BODY in the sepulcher?" Did his omnipresent ceased only when he died?

      Would like to hear your thoughts on this if you have any.

      God bless,

      Paul C.

  3. Can you give me a quote that tells us Christ’s divinity was localized (not omnipresent) while He was on earth? I have not found such a statement and I see many things Christ did there were beyond localized divinity … like seeing Nathaniel under the fig tree, drawing others to Him to be healed, and knowing the hearts of all men, to name a few.

    1. Hi Paul,

      Great question, and as you say, there are some things in my mind also that still remain unanswered.

      But I would start with a statement that says, "Jesus revealed no qualities, and exercised no powers, that men may not have through faith in Him. His perfect humanity is that which all His followers may possess, if they will be in subjection to God as He was." {DA 664.4}

      So, if Christ, in his perfect humanity revealed "no qualities, and exercised no powers, that men may not have through faith in Him." then I don’t see how he was omnipresent here on earth. God can certainly reveal things to his prophets whereby the prophets can "know" and "see" things which he wouldn’t otherwise know without the aid of divine help. But can human’s exercise omnipresence through faith in Christ? I don’t know of any inspired evidence to suggest if that is even possible. Although Philip was able to teleport himself to Azotus after baptizing the eunuch in Acts 8.

      There is however a curious statement in The Desire of Ages (down below) where we are told that Jesus brought conviction to the paralytic’s conscience while the paralytic was still at home…I suppose one can take that to mean that Christ’s Spirit was able to actuate beyond His locality… But again, this was not a case of omnipresence… There’s no indication of Christ’s Spirit simultaneously operating somewhere else beyond his corporeal human body. Again, if we were to believe that Christ did not exercised any divinity beyond what the Father was able to provide him with, then we would have to concede that it was the Spirit of Christ working through the Father to reach the paralytic:

      “While the paralytic was yet at home, the Saviour had brought conviction to his conscience. When he repented of his sins, and believed in the power of Jesus to make him whole, the life-giving mercies of the Saviour had first blessed his longing heart. Jesus had watched the first glimmer of faith grow into a belief that He was the sinner’s only helper, and had seen it grow stronger with every effort to come into His presence.” {DA 268.1}

      "THE SPIRIT OF JESUS SLEPT IN THE TOMB WITH HIS BODY, and did not wing its way to heaven, there to maintain a separate existence, and to look down upon the mourning disciples embalming the body from which it had taken flight. ALL THAT COMPRISED THE LIFE AND INTELLIGENCE OF JESUS REMAINED WITH HIS BODY in the sepulcher; and when He came forth it was as a WHOLE BEING; He did not have to summon HIS SPIRIT FROM HEAVEN. He had power to lay down His life and to take it up again.”—5 Bible Commentary, 1150-1151. (The Spirit of Prophecy 3:203, 204)

      Here, I’m inclined to believe that Christ had a human spirit (localized), not unlike you and I which remained in the grave in the sense that he did not have a "conscious" thought or spirit floating around somewhere else… If Christ was omnipresent, how is it that his spirit slept in the tomb or that "ALL THAT COMPRISED THE LIFE AND INTELLIGENCE OF JESUS REMAINED WITH HIS BODY in the sepulcher?" Did his omnipresent ceased only when he died?

      Would like to hear your thoughts on this if you have any.

      God bless,

      Paul C.

  4. Can you give me a quote that tells us Christ’s divinity was localized (not omnipresent) while He was on earth? I have not found such a statement and I see many things Christ did there were beyond localized divinity … like seeing Nathaniel under the fig tree, drawing others to Him to be healed, and knowing the hearts of all men, to name a few.

    1. Hi Paul,

      Great question, and as you say, there are some things in my mind also that still remain unanswered.

      But I would start with a statement that says, "Jesus revealed no qualities, and exercised no powers, that men may not have through faith in Him. His perfect humanity is that which all His followers may possess, if they will be in subjection to God as He was." {DA 664.4}

      So, if Christ, in his perfect humanity revealed "no qualities, and exercised no powers, that men may not have through faith in Him." then I don’t see how he was omnipresent here on earth. God can certainly reveal things to his prophets whereby the prophets can "know" and "see" things which he wouldn’t otherwise know without the aid of divine help. But can human’s exercise omnipresence through faith in Christ? I don’t know of any inspired evidence to suggest if that is even possible. Although Philip was able to teleport himself to Azotus after baptizing the eunuch in Acts 8.

      There is however a curious statement in The Desire of Ages (down below) where we are told that Jesus brought conviction to the paralytic’s conscience while the paralytic was still at home…I suppose one can take that to mean that Christ’s Spirit was able to actuate beyond His locality… But again, this was not a case of omnipresence… There’s no indication of Christ’s Spirit simultaneously operating somewhere else beyond his corporeal human body. Again, if we were to believe that Christ did not exercised any divinity beyond what the Father was able to provide him with, then we would have to concede that it was the Spirit of Christ working through the Father to reach the paralytic:

      “While the paralytic was yet at home, the Saviour had brought conviction to his conscience. When he repented of his sins, and believed in the power of Jesus to make him whole, the life-giving mercies of the Saviour had first blessed his longing heart. Jesus had watched the first glimmer of faith grow into a belief that He was the sinner’s only helper, and had seen it grow stronger with every effort to come into His presence.” {DA 268.1}

      "THE SPIRIT OF JESUS SLEPT IN THE TOMB WITH HIS BODY, and did not wing its way to heaven, there to maintain a separate existence, and to look down upon the mourning disciples embalming the body from which it had taken flight. ALL THAT COMPRISED THE LIFE AND INTELLIGENCE OF JESUS REMAINED WITH HIS BODY in the sepulcher; and when He came forth it was as a WHOLE BEING; He did not have to summon HIS SPIRIT FROM HEAVEN. He had power to lay down His life and to take it up again.”—5 Bible Commentary, 1150-1151. (The Spirit of Prophecy 3:203, 204)

      Here, I’m inclined to believe that Christ had a human spirit (localized), not unlike you and I which remained in the grave in the sense that he did not have a "conscious" thought or spirit floating around somewhere else… If Christ was omnipresent, how is it that his spirit slept in the tomb or that "ALL THAT COMPRISED THE LIFE AND INTELLIGENCE OF JESUS REMAINED WITH HIS BODY in the sepulcher?" Did his omnipresent ceased only when he died?

      Would like to hear your thoughts on this if you have any.

      God bless,

      Paul C.

  5. Can you give me a quote that tells us Christ’s divinity was localized (not omnipresent) while He was on earth? I have not found such a statement and I see many things Christ did there were beyond localized divinity … like seeing Nathaniel under the fig tree, drawing others to Him to be healed, and knowing the hearts of all men, to name a few.

    1. Hi Paul,

      Great question, and as you say, there are some things in my mind also that still remain unanswered.

      But I would start with a statement that says, "Jesus revealed no qualities, and exercised no powers, that men may not have through faith in Him. His perfect humanity is that which all His followers may possess, if they will be in subjection to God as He was." {DA 664.4}

      So, if Christ, in his perfect humanity revealed "no qualities, and exercised no powers, that men may not have through faith in Him." then I don’t see how he was omnipresent here on earth. God can certainly reveal things to his prophets whereby the prophets can "know" and "see" things which he wouldn’t otherwise know without the aid of divine help. But can human’s exercise omnipresence through faith in Christ? I don’t know of any inspired evidence to suggest if that is even possible. Although Philip was able to teleport himself to Azotus after baptizing the eunuch in Acts 8.

      There is however a curious statement in The Desire of Ages (down below) where we are told that Jesus brought conviction to the paralytic’s conscience while the paralytic was still at home…I suppose one can take that to mean that Christ’s Spirit was able to actuate beyond His locality… But again, this was not a case of omnipresence… There’s no indication of Christ’s Spirit simultaneously operating somewhere else beyond his corporeal human body. Again, if we were to believe that Christ did not exercised any divinity beyond what the Father was able to provide him with, then we would have to concede that it was the Spirit of Christ working through the Father to reach the paralytic:

      “While the paralytic was yet at home, the Saviour had brought conviction to his conscience. When he repented of his sins, and believed in the power of Jesus to make him whole, the life-giving mercies of the Saviour had first blessed his longing heart. Jesus had watched the first glimmer of faith grow into a belief that He was the sinner’s only helper, and had seen it grow stronger with every effort to come into His presence.” {DA 268.1}

      "THE SPIRIT OF JESUS SLEPT IN THE TOMB WITH HIS BODY, and did not wing its way to heaven, there to maintain a separate existence, and to look down upon the mourning disciples embalming the body from which it had taken flight. ALL THAT COMPRISED THE LIFE AND INTELLIGENCE OF JESUS REMAINED WITH HIS BODY in the sepulcher; and when He came forth it was as a WHOLE BEING; He did not have to summon HIS SPIRIT FROM HEAVEN. He had power to lay down His life and to take it up again.”—5 Bible Commentary, 1150-1151. (The Spirit of Prophecy 3:203, 204)

      Here, I’m inclined to believe that Christ had a human spirit (localized), not unlike you and I which remained in the grave in the sense that he did not have a "conscious" thought or spirit floating around somewhere else… If Christ was omnipresent, how is it that his spirit slept in the tomb or that "ALL THAT COMPRISED THE LIFE AND INTELLIGENCE OF JESUS REMAINED WITH HIS BODY in the sepulcher?" Did his omnipresent ceased only when he died?

      Would like to hear your thoughts on this if you have any.

      God bless,

      Paul C.

  6. Can you give me a quote that tells us Christ’s divinity was localized (not omnipresent) while He was on earth? I have not found such a statement and I see many things Christ did there were beyond localized divinity … like seeing Nathaniel under the fig tree, drawing others to Him to be healed, and knowing the hearts of all men, to name a few.

    1. Hi Paul,

      Great question, and as you say, there are some things in my mind also that still remain unanswered.

      But I would start with a statement that says, "Jesus revealed no qualities, and exercised no powers, that men may not have through faith in Him. His perfect humanity is that which all His followers may possess, if they will be in subjection to God as He was." {DA 664.4}

      So, if Christ, in his perfect humanity revealed "no qualities, and exercised no powers, that men may not have through faith in Him." then I don’t see how he was omnipresent here on earth. God can certainly reveal things to his prophets whereby the prophets can "know" and "see" things which he wouldn’t otherwise know without the aid of divine help. But can human’s exercise omnipresence through faith in Christ? I don’t know of any inspired evidence to suggest if that is even possible. Although Philip was able to teleport himself to Azotus after baptizing the eunuch in Acts 8.

      There is however a curious statement in The Desire of Ages (down below) where we are told that Jesus brought conviction to the paralytic’s conscience while the paralytic was still at home…I suppose one can take that to mean that Christ’s Spirit was able to actuate beyond His locality… But again, this was not a case of omnipresence… There’s no indication of Christ’s Spirit simultaneously operating somewhere else beyond his corporeal human body. Again, if we were to believe that Christ did not exercised any divinity beyond what the Father was able to provide him with, then we would have to concede that it was the Spirit of Christ working through the Father to reach the paralytic:

      “While the paralytic was yet at home, the Saviour had brought conviction to his conscience. When he repented of his sins, and believed in the power of Jesus to make him whole, the life-giving mercies of the Saviour had first blessed his longing heart. Jesus had watched the first glimmer of faith grow into a belief that He was the sinner’s only helper, and had seen it grow stronger with every effort to come into His presence.” {DA 268.1}

      "THE SPIRIT OF JESUS SLEPT IN THE TOMB WITH HIS BODY, and did not wing its way to heaven, there to maintain a separate existence, and to look down upon the mourning disciples embalming the body from which it had taken flight. ALL THAT COMPRISED THE LIFE AND INTELLIGENCE OF JESUS REMAINED WITH HIS BODY in the sepulcher; and when He came forth it was as a WHOLE BEING; He did not have to summon HIS SPIRIT FROM HEAVEN. He had power to lay down His life and to take it up again.”—5 Bible Commentary, 1150-1151. (The Spirit of Prophecy 3:203, 204)

      Here, I’m inclined to believe that Christ had a human spirit (localized), not unlike you and I which remained in the grave in the sense that he did not have a "conscious" thought or spirit floating around somewhere else… If Christ was omnipresent, how is it that his spirit slept in the tomb or that "ALL THAT COMPRISED THE LIFE AND INTELLIGENCE OF JESUS REMAINED WITH HIS BODY in the sepulcher?" Did his omnipresent ceased only when he died?

      Would like to hear your thoughts on this if you have any.

      God bless,

      Paul C.

  7. Jesus was still omnipresent while human. Even though He put on humanity He was still 100% divine.

    48 Nathanael saith unto him, Whence knowest thou me? Jesus answered and said unto him, Before that Philip called thee, when thou wast under the fig tree, I saw thee. 49 Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel.
    John 1: 48,49

    1. Ellen White at times was given visions, and then reported to the subjects of the visions that she had seen them doing certain secret things in places where she wasn’t, so either she was also omnipresent, or God was giving her insights just as Jesus was given insights.
      Paul also told people what he had seen at a distance.

  8. Jesus was still omnipresent while human. Even though He put on humanity He was still 100% divine.

    48 Nathanael saith unto him, Whence knowest thou me? Jesus answered and said unto him, Before that Philip called thee, when thou wast under the fig tree, I saw thee. 49 Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel.
    John 1: 48,49

    1. Ellen White at times was given visions, and then reported to the subjects of the visions that she had seen them doing certain secret things in places where she wasn’t, so either she was also omnipresent, or God was giving her insights just as Jesus was given insights.
      Paul also told people what he had seen at a distance.

  9. Jesus was still omnipresent while human. Even though He put on humanity He was still 100% divine.

    48 Nathanael saith unto him, Whence knowest thou me? Jesus answered and said unto him, Before that Philip called thee, when thou wast under the fig tree, I saw thee. 49 Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel.
    John 1: 48,49

    1. Ellen White at times was given visions, and then reported to the subjects of the visions that she had seen them doing certain secret things in places where she wasn’t, so either she was also omnipresent, or God was giving her insights just as Jesus was given insights.
      Paul also told people what he had seen at a distance.

  10. Jesus was still omnipresent while human. Even though He put on humanity He was still 100% divine.

    48 Nathanael saith unto him, Whence knowest thou me? Jesus answered and said unto him, Before that Philip called thee, when thou wast under the fig tree, I saw thee. 49 Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel.
    John 1: 48,49

    1. Ellen White at times was given visions, and then reported to the subjects of the visions that she had seen them doing certain secret things in places where she wasn’t, so either she was also omnipresent, or God was giving her insights just as Jesus was given insights.
      Paul also told people what he had seen at a distance.

  11. Jesus was still omnipresent while human. Even though He put on humanity He was still 100% divine.

    48 Nathanael saith unto him, Whence knowest thou me? Jesus answered and said unto him, Before that Philip called thee, when thou wast under the fig tree, I saw thee. 49 Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel.
    John 1: 48,49

    1. Ellen White at times was given visions, and then reported to the subjects of the visions that she had seen them doing certain secret things in places where she wasn’t, so either she was also omnipresent, or God was giving her insights just as Jesus was given insights.
      Paul also told people what he had seen at a distance.

  12. Jesus was still omnipresent while human. Even though He put on humanity He was still 100% divine.

    48 Nathanael saith unto him, Whence knowest thou me? Jesus answered and said unto him, Before that Philip called thee, when thou wast under the fig tree, I saw thee. 49 Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel.
    John 1: 48,49

    1. Ellen White at times was given visions, and then reported to the subjects of the visions that she had seen them doing certain secret things in places where she wasn’t, so either she was also omnipresent, or God was giving her insights just as Jesus was given insights.
      Paul also told people what he had seen at a distance.

  13. I can give a twist on it. The conviction to the paralytic happened as he was told bout Jesus by John or Jesus disciple who had the spirit of Jesus in him. An example of the Spirit of Christ testifying

    "1 Peter 1:10 Of which salvation the prophets have inquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: 11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow."

    This proves when even the comforter is send it testify. The spirit testifying is the spirit of Christ in us and brings conviction to souls so it can be said Christ brought conviction while a man ministered.

  14. I can give a twist on it. The conviction to the paralytic happened as he was told bout Jesus by John or Jesus disciple who had the spirit of Jesus in him. An example of the Spirit of Christ testifying

    "1 Peter 1:10 Of which salvation the prophets have inquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: 11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow."

    This proves when even the comforter is send it testify. The spirit testifying is the spirit of Christ in us and brings conviction to souls so it can be said Christ brought conviction while a man ministered.

  15. I can give a twist on it. The conviction to the paralytic happened as he was told bout Jesus by John or Jesus disciple who had the spirit of Jesus in him. An example of the Spirit of Christ testifying

    "1 Peter 1:10 Of which salvation the prophets have inquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: 11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow."

    This proves when even the comforter is send it testify. The spirit testifying is the spirit of Christ in us and brings conviction to souls so it can be said Christ brought conviction while a man ministered.

  16. I can give a twist on it. The conviction to the paralytic happened as he was told bout Jesus by John or Jesus disciple who had the spirit of Jesus in him. An example of the Spirit of Christ testifying

    "1 Peter 1:10 Of which salvation the prophets have inquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: 11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow."

    This proves when even the comforter is send it testify. The spirit testifying is the spirit of Christ in us and brings conviction to souls so it can be said Christ brought conviction while a man ministered.

  17. I can give a twist on it. The conviction to the paralytic happened as he was told bout Jesus by John or Jesus disciple who had the spirit of Jesus in him. An example of the Spirit of Christ testifying

    "1 Peter 1:10 Of which salvation the prophets have inquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: 11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow."

    This proves when even the comforter is send it testify. The spirit testifying is the spirit of Christ in us and brings conviction to souls so it can be said Christ brought conviction while a man ministered.

  18. I can give a twist on it. The conviction to the paralytic happened as he was told bout Jesus by John or Jesus disciple who had the spirit of Jesus in him. An example of the Spirit of Christ testifying

    "1 Peter 1:10 Of which salvation the prophets have inquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: 11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow."

    This proves when even the comforter is send it testify. The spirit testifying is the spirit of Christ in us and brings conviction to souls so it can be said Christ brought conviction while a man ministered.

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